Productized Podcast — Ted Harrington— How to do application security right

Today we have Ted Harrington, author of “HACKABLE: How to Do Application Security Right” and the Executive Partner at Independent Security Evaluators (ISE), a company of ethical hackers famous for being the first to hack the iPhone.

[1:31] From Psychology to hacking

[3:45] Ted’s book “Hackable: How to Do Application Security Right.” What PMs need to know about it.

[7:50] First steps to secure my product

How to clean a blender?

Talking about security is like cleaning a blender after a smoothie, you have 2 options:

1. clean up after the smoothie

2. Wait, even though it will be much harder.

[14:00] At what stage do people usually worry about this issue?

“It’s never too soon to think about security, but it’s never too late too”

[15:53] We’re becoming increasingly more digital dependent, with our files saved in our drives, pictures in the cloud, digital calendars, remote work, social media, and so on. How secure are we with what we save or send online?

Individuals and users are one way to think about it, and there are a few things we can do about the way we use the solution. but the onus is on the companies who build the solutions. We need to be understanding of attackers' work.

[17:50] Exploit Chain & Information leakage

[20:00] More challenging hacking — The iPhone

[25:11] The cybersecurity of iPhone vs other brands

[28:40] Starting in the 1980s, with cases of cyber espionage during the cold war and to last year, in 2020, with a Massive Distributed Denial of Service attack against AWS, we’ve been vulnerable to cyber-attacks and aware of the need for protection. Over time what do you think has changed and kept the same?

“A lot of things have changed, the forwards have improved, the techniques have improved and we have to be able to defend better tomorrow than we did today or we lose the game.”

[35:45] “Security is never done!”

[38:25] Ethical hackers vs non-ethical hackers

Ted Harrington recommends 📚 on product and leadership:

Productized may get commissions for purchases made through links to books pointed in this post.

📗 Retail Pride by Ron Thurston

📙 Better Great Than Never, by Lindsay Dare Shoop

📘 Generation Zero, by Sabreet Kang Rajeev

📕The Art of Resilience, by Hussein Al-Baiaty

📗 Healthy Dad, Sick Dad, by Dr. Glen Robison

📘 Deep Work, by Cal Newport

📕 The One Thing, by Gary Keller

📙 Make Time, by Jake Knapp and John Zeratsky

📗 The Scribe Method, by Tucker Max

📙 Think Like a Monk, by Jay Shetty

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