94. Lisbon and Digital Nomads in 2035 with Peter Fabor

Yesterday we’ve had the great pleasure of chatting with Peter Fabor. Peter is a community and product builder, who talks about co-living, co-working, real estate, hospitality, and marketplaces. Peter is the founder of Surf Office — one stop shop for company retreats outside the office. Besides that, Peter is running a personal blog and creates guides about hospitality and co-living business improvements for different cities worldwide.

Main topics covered:

🚀 The difference between individual-oriented and business-oriented retreats;

🏄🏽 Why Portugal is a beloved digital nomads destination?

⚖️ How different is Lisbon from Amsterdam?

🏖 How can Lisbon attract more digital nomads and potential citizens?

Time notes:

Introduction of Peter [01:00]

How did Peter start Product Management? [04:30]

How did business for digital nomads developed into company retreats [07:30]

Building a business based on partnership rather than ownership[10:30]

How does typical Peter’s day look like[19:20]

Surfing in Peter’s life [21:20]

If Peter had 3 months, he would learn geospatial analyses[23:00]

Peter created a Hoodpicker — Lisbon neighbourhood management tool [25:20]

First co-living space in Gran Canaria [29:15]

Lisbon as a popular destination for digital nomads [30:50]

“I believe that Lisbon will keep on being a popular destination for remote workers. That would be like 2–3x digital nomads in Lisbon in a few years.”

Is a hybrid working model is really so good? [35:00]

“For me, the hybrid working model is giving freedom to choose what is best for your employees rather than dictating the rules.”

What are the main differences and similarities between Lisbon and Amsterdam [41:20]

Why is everybody biking in Amsterdam? [43:00]

What value do digital nomads bring to Lisbon? [47:00]

Interaction with the government in Amsterdam[52:10]

Why did Peter move to Amsterdam [53:20]

Can Lisbon remain and become an even more attractive city for living [58:00]

  • transportation

Trends for digital nomads orientated businesses [1:03:00]

What words of advice would Peter give to his younger self?[1:07:00]

  • connected to cold emailing and approaching people

“You can contact basically anyone and have a call with them.”

Book recommendations [1:10:20]

Lisbon can be car-free? [1:13:15]

Peter recommends:

📕Walkable City: How Downtown Can Save America, One Step at a Time

📕The Culture Map: Breaking Through the Invisible Boundaries of Global Business

📕The Almanac of Naval Ravikant: A Guide to Wealth and Happiness


This podcast was hosted by André Marquet, with research done by Evelina Bogdiun and sound edited by Miguel Sousa.

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